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Posted March 05, 2024
I'm a little bit confused here

https://www.gog.com/en/game/jagged_alliance_2

https://www.gog.com/en/game/jagged_alliance_2_classic


The classic version is sold as DLC for Wildfire ... is this a legal issue again or are the two versions different in any way?
Posted March 05, 2024
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neumi5694: I'm a little bit confused here
The classic version is sold as DLC for Wildfire ... is this a legal issue again or are the two versions different in any way?
Different devs/publishers mentioned on the games' pages.

Edit: https:// www.gog.com/en/games?developers=i-deal-games-studios&order=asc:storeReleaseDate
Post edited March 05, 2024 by BreOl72
Posted March 05, 2024
Jagged Alliance 2 comes with a few goodies. Not sure if the "classic" brings any of those.
Posted March 05, 2024
It's the same as with Twinsen's Little Big Adventure Classic and Twinsen's Little Big Adventure Classic - Original Edition [Free] and Twinsen's Little Big Adventure 2 Classic and Twinsen's Little Big Adventure 2 Classic - Original Edition [Free]

the games are not bundled. You get the original Jagged Alliance 2, or LBA 1+2 Free only if you are also going to buy the other version(s).
Post edited March 05, 2024 by Mori_Yuki
Posted March 05, 2024
Some explanation of this would be nice. Until then, i'm going to assume this is another pointless "new" version of a game released for a cash grab.
Posted March 05, 2024
Jagged Alliance 2: Wildfire got a new build.

The version number is now: 6.08+dlc and "Jagged Alliance 2: Classic" is listed on JA 2:W's store page as DLC.


Edit: typo
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Post edited March 05, 2024 by BreOl72
Posted March 05, 2024
Yeah, different publishers are obvious, that was what the "legal issues" is about.

But the same game twice available on GOG? What is that about?
So far old versons got removed when a new licence holder took the stage.

And offering it as DLC is kinda weird as well. Why not as standalone? (well, probably because the other publisher is nto allowed to do so, but still ...).

Is something gonna happen to the SirTec version?
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Mori_Yuki: the games are not bundled. You get the original Jagged Alliance 2, or LBA 1+2 Free only if you are also going to buy the other version(s).
In this case it's (still) possible to get the orginal version from SirTec as standalone and apparently the same game as DLC from the new dev.
Post edited March 05, 2024 by neumi5694
Posted March 05, 2024
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The regular JA2 (sold by Strategy First) is version 1.12 (normally reserved for the Gold Pack but eh). It's standalone, and doesn't include or require any other part of the series to run.

The JA2 Classic (sold by TopWare) is only available as a DLC for Wildfire and is version 1.03 (not even 1.07, which was the last pre-Gold build). And the base price is $2 higher.

And no, the version tag for the installers is not correct either - 6.08 was a version exclusive to the Russian release; the latest English one is 6.04 and the latest German one is 6.06.
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The rights to JA1, JA2 and their standalone expansions are notoriously a maze. TopWare got the rights to Wildfire in 2005 when i-Deal Games invoked breach of contract with then-rightsholder of the IP, Strategy First, and sought someone else to publish a fixed version. The catch with vanilla JA2 is that the original boxed release of Wildfire also included JA2 alongside Wildfire, and that's probably why nobody bat an eye when JA2 Classic appeared on the S-store in 2017. And the reason how they have such an ancient build is that the original TopWare (the one that was closed in 2001, of which the current TopWare is the successor of) was the original German publisher of the game, and released it 3 months before the rest of the world got the game.
Post edited March 05, 2024 by Plok_HR
Posted March 05, 2024
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Plok_HR: And no, the version tag for the installers is not correct either - 6.08 was a version exclusive to the Russian release; the latest English one is 6.04 and the latest German one is 6.06.
I'm just posting, what the files show me:

setup_jagged_alliance_2_wildfire_6.08dlc_(german)_(67213)
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Posted March 05, 2024
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Plok_HR: And no, the version tag for the installers is not correct either - 6.08 was a version exclusive to the Russian release; the latest English one is 6.04 and the latest German one is 6.06.
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BreOl72: I'm just posting, what the files show me:

setup_jagged_alliance_2_wildfire_6.08dlc_(german)_(67213)
I know, but the game itself tells a different story.
Posted March 05, 2024
So, if I have the original gog release, do I need the "classic" version for any reason? Modding or otherwise? That's what i'd like cleared up.
Posted March 05, 2024
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Lucian_Galca: So, if I have the original gog release, do I need the "classic" version for any reason? Modding or otherwise? That's what i'd like cleared up.
Unless you want the earliest possible English release for archival or curiosity on how the game evolved, no.

Between versions 1.03 (Classic) and 1.12 (which you currently have), bugs were fixed, some balance tweaks were implemented, cheat hotkeys were added, and the brothel scene was censored. That's about it.
Post edited March 05, 2024 by Plok_HR
Posted March 05, 2024
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Lucian_Galca: So, if I have the original gog release, do I need the "classic" version for any reason? Modding or otherwise? That's what i'd like cleared up.
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Plok_HR: Unless you want the earliest possible English release for archival or curiosity on how the game evolved, no.

Between versions 1.03 (Classic) and 1.12 (which you currently have), bugs were fixed, some balance tweaks were implemented, cheat hotkeys were added, and the brothel scene was censored. That's about it.
Cool, and much thanks for the answer. As long as the 1.13 mod and the vanilla game itself still work, i'm good with what i've got then.
Posted March 06, 2024
Soooo....They are selling a crap version of the game, replacing the better version we had previously (before the change??)? 0_o


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Nevermind. Still selling the normal wildfire....I think. Just confusing me with oddball versions for different pricing.
Post edited March 06, 2024 by Shmacky-McNuts
Posted March 06, 2024
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Plok_HR: The rights to JA1, JA2 and their standalone expansions are notoriously a maze. TopWare got the rights to Wildfire in 2005 when i-Deal Games invoked breach of contract with then-rightsholder of the IP, Strategy First, and sought someone else to publish a fixed version. The catch with vanilla JA2 is that the original boxed release of Wildfire also included JA2 alongside Wildfire, and that's probably why nobody bat an eye when JA2 Classic appeared on the S-store in 2017. And the reason how they have such an ancient build is that the original TopWare (the one that was closed in 2001, of which the current TopWare is the successor of) was the original German publisher of the game, and released it 3 months before the rest of the world got the game.
That explains a lot. Thanks. But it's a weird way to handle things in any case.

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Shmacky-McNuts: Nevermind. Still selling the normal wildfire....I think. Just confusing me with oddball versions for different pricing.
Yeah, Wildfire hasn't been changed. It's the base game for which we now have a second buying option ...
Post edited March 06, 2024 by neumi5694
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